The point that was made is that JB acts normal with others when she doesn’t act normal around LuH. Hear your L Word favourites Jenni…. NOTIFICATIONS. It is indeed. Post Mar 16, 2022 #34133 2022-03-16T18:58. Laurel didn’t have luck in her first marriage but she’s got lucky with her second marriage. if my words can be trusted. Heavy rumors that Kevin Costner will leave Yellowstone and is being replaced by Matthew McConaughey. Maybe not as outwardly facing as Laurel due to Jennifer being such a guarded person, hell Jennifer was so passionate about them that. Join Facebook to connect with Charles Holloman and others you may know. TiBette are cultural memes. thinking, dreaming. . 12:52 AM - Feb 28 #90034. It really isn’t rocket science. Guest. It's hard to tell the difference sometimes as they seem to have melded together along the way. After all the tomfoolery with Tina and Bette bringing the intended “donor” home, they’re laying in bed talking and Tina takes Bette’s hand under the covers and says “This is you. Oct 25, 2021. Location: National Building Museum. I'm going to step out on a limb and apply astrology to the Beals/Holloman speculation. ]In the final episode of season 5 at the end of the scene on the outside lounge when Bette asks if Angie should have a brother or a sister there was more to the scene. Good question. Hell, she's even received letters from Klansmen. I also love the tent scene between Tina, Shane and Alice. A lot of the OG fanbase had already started jumping ship. JB is pressing Laurel down with her whole body, Laurel can’t escape obviously. Or she’s riding the renewed popularity of Tibette or maybe she’s serious about acting again. Read more posts (7860 remaining) 94380 posts. GalPal. 12:59 AM - Mar 30 #91947. This site is not about becoming educated or enlightened. He couldn’t compete with anyone else. We've updated our and by continuing you're agreeing to the updated terms. Guest. MESSAGES. Post Sep 15, 2015 #13444 2015-09-15T11:21. “You see everybody look over. Aug 01, 2021 #1437. Sure LuH may not want to be in every episode but you have to think that she has changed her life since TLW and she also has a family life. Guest. “I think maybe I shouldn’t identify as bisexual. By the way this chat is called jennifer- beals-laurel holloman-jenluh, but not Bette and Tina or GQ3. Sorry to break your illusion, but this girl is one of the most unpleasant to Laurel and still justifies the jokes as innocent sarcasm because she loves Laurel. Mickey600 wrote: ↑. Jump to page:Despite being two straight actresses, Jennifer Beals and Laurel Holloman have true chemistry together, and their scenes are some of the show’s strongest! It felt to me like the show intentionally cut their scenes due to some form of petty grudge, especially given the lack of promotion the normally L Word obsessed Beals did for the season. So it’s in more than just the interrogation tapes, so it’s canon. Jennifer Beals has not been previously engaged. Bette is one of the only characters who experienced significant — though rushed — personal growth in “Gen Q,” making her and Tina’s reconciliation actually seem believable. Laurel Holloman is married to a man and lives in New York with him and his and her children. “I can tell you there’s a blizzard outside and it’s really beautiful. The other LWord girls hung out big time in their trailers. Mandi along. She said it many times during s4 including the valentines chat with IC on OurChart during season 4. 3:44 PM - Jan 29. Well stated. JB and Luh always wanted Tibette together but IC couldn’t separate her personal life from business back then. JB's surprise was announced on Valentine's Day and LuH was in Colorado in March. Guest. It's her work and it's something that's close to her heart. They are a celebrated artists in their own way. She has said in an interview that one of the reasons she got divorced is because she had fallen out of love with her ex. Share. When they go low I don’t go high, I go to the gutter because I will always match energy. Seeing them laughing together like this is just the best. Share with: Link: Copy link. But Tibette fans occupied the room since 3. They have embodied the hopes & dreams of thousands of people worldwide & asked nothing in return but their own happiness in keeping Tibette close to their own hearts. Share. In the OG when IC was obsessed with Jodi and Jobette, Showtime told her to reunite Tibette because they were losing viewers. Wow. The evidence to me points to an intense emotional and physical attraction and yes a full blown love affair. 30802 posts Page 1167 of 1233. 8:46 PM - Sep 28 #96062. We stayed in Shillo Inns (walking distance from the convention center), every morning when we walked out we saw black cars waited to pick up the actors. So Tina has at least a scene in the desert…goes with what we saw last week on some pics posted here when we werent sure If the blonde women was Laurel or not…. That is true is hopeful of the OG involvement. By their existence & love of Tibette, they have couraged others to live the lives they have desired & have given voice to the voiceless. 5:40 PM - Sep 30 #96120. She clearly came back because she loves Tina, she loves Tibette, she loves JB and she loves the cast. She has been in the USA. Next. Can't think about you. 1:57 PM - Jan 19. 12:59 AM - Mar 30. AngusOnSteroids wrote: ↑. pp [s--this is a shorter clip. Listening to IC and JB reacting to OG Pilot episode. Coparenting is not making a major decision solo and calling to inform the other parent after. Key Points of discussion (incomplete): - The Candace Incident - The Delany Incident - The Unedited Footage - The ReunionThe crying/response to the crying was improvised by Jen and Luh. Post Sep 14, 2012 #1035 2012-09-14T17:57. The killing of Erin’s character is (purportedly) because when season 1 was a hit the actors got together and demanded more $ at Jennifer’s suggestion. Guest. After Tina found the film negative, Lez Girls was made with original ending because studio wanted to capitalize on the writers death. 5:59 PM - Jul 13. It's fascinating that Bette initiated the sex (dragging Tina to the bedroom) but then shows her insecurity when Tina starts undressing her. There said that Marja was hired to represent new wave of actors who will took of legacy of TLW OG. . 1. It's very likely she even cut down all contact hoping Laurel's and herself's feeling cool down, which upset LH. the story that hairstylist did just before said « goes in the desert once » and Marja posted a pic from Kate who looked like she was in the desert/ mountains…. Jen and Laurel were scene partners and co-workers who were amiable during filming. Guest. Mickey600. Notice pic of just the OG. JB may have some stories she wants to tell for GQ but in the end she always wants Bette to end up with Tina. The first season was perfectly decent, soapy and trashy in just the right measure, but by series two the shine had worn off. Laurel's dog coming in and shaking so that we could all hear him and he recognised Jennifer and Jennifer gushing over the doggy. com) Nicole Wilder/ShowtimeEvery fan of The L Word: Generation Q will have finished Sunday night’s episode with some warmth in their heart, and maybe even shouted a “FINALLY” at the screen. . I don't believe in everything related to sun signs, but I think Jennifer Beals ; Read the rules on page1 before posting - Page 121 - The L ChatMarja’s mocked the walk down the aisle with a meltdown by Tess, cut away from the vows to disgruntled guests, the moving speeches by friends were nonexistent, she literally crushed the cake, gave us seconds of the dance and disabled the getaway vehicle. I wonder if we will still see the engagement or rehearsal dinner, then on TiBette's wedding day they get stuck in the fridge, and then at some point in the episode the ceremony happens, and then there is chaos going on and everyone else's bullshit and stupid hookups. This fandom is still horny yet I’m the one the troll labels as ‘creepy’. Everyone recognized that the two had chemistry. My favorites are “A wedding and a cake”, “Fire dancer”, “A chaotic heart”. Read more posts (1451 remaining) 97571 posts. As the conversation around boyfriends and sex started to pique interest amongst my female peers, I felt like a total outsider. 94154 posts Page 875 of 3139. 8:51 PM - Mar 27. Jennifer Beals is seen at the "Today" show on October 03, 2022 in New York City. ] In the final episode of season 5 at the end of the scene on the outside lounge when Bette asks if Angie should have a brother or a sister there was more to the scene. Y’all don’t spend enough time on the promo. I think it was Holloman who choose to distance herself (spend less time with Beals) but they did remain friendly. Join Facebook to connect with Heather Ohlman Beals and others you may know. Share with: Link: Copy link. Imagine if they reboot the show again in 15 years, JenLuH are 70 and we are still fighting over whether they had something off screen. If the goal is to catch steam for the reboot, Diva would be the better choice. Only Laurel Holloman could bring (emotionally, for the audience) the character out of that mess. Join Facebook to connect with Herman Beals and others you may know. But laurel Holloman enriched so much the character: JB immediately connected with Laurel and sensed the symbolic strength of their couple and the audience bonded naturally with Tibette. In the podcast JB says LuH suggested to donate the vows about month ago, so the surprise could be the vows. We hear the crowd laughing but not once did Bette or Tina turn to look at Alice. I had an experience after I shot Two Girls in Love [Laurel’s breakthrough film role over 15 years ago] and I thought it was. It may be the end for The L Word Generation Q, but with talk of an L Word New York spin-off, perhaps Bette and Tina's happy-ever-after is just the start of something new. Which is a problem, since Bette bounces between two lovers — Jodi (Marlee Matlin) and, secretly, Tina (Laurel Holloman), the. Jun 11, 2022 #46270. Laurel won’t going to attend the convention, because she is not invited and doesn’t get paid. Jump to page:. However, with the reboot being about the OG’s, Diva may still have some of that OG fan audience. And Tina's comment about Bette's passion reminded me of the scene after Bette left Tim/Jenny's dinner party in a huff and Tina said that was the one of things she loved about Bette. g. Instead, this 46-year-old has. I now all I have to do is think of it and the sobs start. Beals has admitted in interviews that she would avoid painful experiences. Costner still has half of season 5 to film. The L Chat. 5,607 5,976. A lot of time has passed and they are sharing a child together. Jennifer wasn’t a source of support, you’re right, they didn’t see each other, they grew apart after the show was over. would’ve hoped I would’ve sound something a little more challenging I was going to fabricate stories about Jennifer Beals. SA rewatch the scene - she absolutely pulled back from SM’s sloppy disgusting tongue. True love when you're sure you spent the whole walk with that person. JB and LHs interaction was taped and later reviewed by the execs. babygirl's heart is breaking, those big brown puppy dog eyes. 5:18 PM - Oct 06 #96803. The chemistry between JB and LH is rare. She was so significant in their story; the first person Tina turned to when she found out Bette cheated, and the first friend who Tina revealed her pregnancy to. Laurel Holloman After playing the Tina to Jennifer's Bette, Laurel didn't do much acting — only a couple of guest starring roles, including an episode of Castle . So, some interesting information. It looks like JB’s dad was born in 1913 and died Dec. Would be fun to see Beals and Holloman play against each other in non-lover roles. I find it difficult to interpret these incidents as indicitive of a single hookup and attraction. Per ilene interview. Guest. But the entire writing team and crew should have seen it 2-3 times as relevant research ahead of writing the season and for the reasons you cited, since they were going to have both Beals and O’Donnell on. The evidence to me points to an intense emotional and physical attraction and yes a full blown love affair. They’ve been married for almost ten years they live together travel together co-parent together. They are color coordinating from opposite sides of the Atlantic. Ash has spoken to Marja about releasing DVD with lots of extras. The L Chat > Welcome Back > General Discussions > Jennifer Beals and Laurel Holloman; JenLuh. So it's a very different schedule [than an actor]. Share with: Link: Copy link. I cried a lot. Beals was using her more established status to bolster Ms. how can i be faithful to you. The season concludes with their wedding and thus also a massive sense of catharsis for long-time TiBette fans. I was like. Beals has admitted in interviews that she would avoid painful experiences. In the end, it was my mistake for trying to curve this before other members start attacking (an l chat tradition)10:47 AM - Oct 07. 2:40 AM - Mar 20. “Do I have to say?” she asks. 8:46 PM - Sep 28 #96062. Look at this beautiful queen in her stories just now @laurelholloman #laurelholloman. Laurel and Jennifer have perfect chemistry, and they complement each other by playing their characters at a very high psychic level. So it’s her way of saying sorry but she’s done it via showtime. MESSAGES. Rachel obviously reached out to them. I bet she and Jen had a talk about the party and Laurel decided to attend. Wishful thinking, not a fact. How wide Tina/Luh’s eyes become when she looks at Bette/JB and how her face lights up when they are interacting (we won’t talk about the S3/early S4 OG bits) 4. Not the character of Tina, but Laurel the actual person. Guest. 33261 posts Page 1185 of 1331. The "innocent sarcasm, we respect and love Laurel" group continued making fun and escalated it after finding out that Laurel made the poster. The painting is called "and, I love you. Jennifer Beals and Laurel Holloman; JenLuh. So many lesbian couples are kept apart by death and society in TV and film. But JB said they hadn’t seen each other. IC created the characters & gave them a face, but JB/LuH breathed life into them & molded them in their own image of what a forever in love - soulmates- couple looks & sounds like. Thank you Beck, I just noticed Tina using both hands. Jump to page: Previous; 1. There was much more Mia than LuH but maybe it was LuH’s choice. This amazing GIF from @CtFJulie says it all for me, . Bette is one of the only characters who experienced significant — though rushed — personal growth in “Gen Q,” making her and Tina’s reconciliation actually seem believable. 1:46 AM - Mar 27 #91503 I'm glad it's Rachel's podcast and not the trashy Pants podcast they are appearing in together. The L Word Generation Q (Sky Atlantic) I came of age with the original L Word, when seeing queer women on screen felt so revolutionary – so of course I was going to watch the reboot, Generation Q. Guest. Ok, S4 aired in 2007 as well. It’s official Fam, I’m in the house. Jump to page:. "Paul wanted a wife, not a serial cheater. Bette (Jennifer Beals) ended the first season of The L Word: Generation Q at a turning point in her life. Why wouldn't she if she loves Tibette and the fans as much as she says. It may be the end for The L Word Generation Q, but with talk of an L Word New York spin-off, perhaps Bette and Tina's happy-ever-after is just the start of something new. 97645 posts Page 3205 of 3255. After the backlash for all the non tibette scenes in final episode, they've clearly been enrolled to defend the production and showrunner, even attacking tibette (clearly more Jess, who interviewed Marja) and Laurel. the topic of twitter trolls and their tweets, the discussion of fans/stans behavior on social media, the discussion. I so love this - just oozes happiness, laughter and love and affection in a few short seconds, whether it is Tibette or JenLuh. 9:01 PM - Jun 26 #94293. Guest. I have favorites throughout all of the seasons. Obviously Tibette's popular, but surely you know if they were to announce Carmen or Jenny were coming back for TLWNY, it would be bigger news than anything we'd hear about Tibette. I now all I have to do is think of it and the sobs start. I’m very excited to be talking about the finale with you—it was great. Laurel came back because JB asked her to come back…Laurel was always willing to come back…. IMO it was important to hear here Luh say she would return to the show, so it’s equally important to hear if she’s leaving. She's not with Henry anymore--and Bette's definitely the one in a relationship--and Tina's the one on her own. Jennifer Beals is an amazing photographer and Laurel Holloman is a prolific painter. She did seems to be very professional and a genuine Tibette fan. Mickey600. Sunday’s episode of Showtime’s The L Word: Generation Q staged a reunion that was a decade in the making as Jennifer Beals and Laurel Holloman reunited onscreen, with the latter. The last time she said they keep in touch was in 2010/2011. Jennifer Beals and Laurel Holloman. . I recall IC mentioning the chemistry between Beals and Holloman was visible from the beginning. ”. . Bette (Jennifer Beals) is back to shaking up the art world following an unceremonious end to her mayoral run and the affair that. 3:35 PM - Oct 06. Holloman. 5:42 PM - Jul 01. Can’t wait for them to post their real life wedding pics! Guesttttttttt. com)Nicole Wilder/ShowtimeEvery fan of The L Word: Generation Q will have finished Sunday night’s episode with some warmth in their heart, and maybe even shouted a “FINALLY” at the screen. IC mentioned (think it was on the pilot commentary) that the cast would get together at Beals home to do read throughs of the. The mountain scene was the scenes she was filming for Carrie, Misty and Finley. So, during the L Word conventions, JB stayed away saying she didn’t like crowds, etc. The most recent was a cop killer who left a manifest mentioning JB before he went on the lam. The L Chat > Welcome Back > General Discussions > Jennifer Beals. NOTIFICATIONS. Ilene intended to have Tina leave Bette for a man and then leave the show. 3 words - jealousy, jealousy, jealousy. This morning after we checked out, the driver told us he just drove michael nouri to the airport. I di…So once again, fans of tlw at her exhibitions supporting her :) Actually, just her fans. Actually, it was October, they were wrapping filming of season 5 back then. i can't just talk to you. In Proof, Beals plays Dr. That’s right. Thank you very much Jennifer Beals. Flashdance. Marja gave us the shittiest wedding episode and fans still showed up to bid this high on the vows because it's something Jennifer and Laurel put together. Nicole Wilder/Showtime As Ryan says, there are tons of Bette and Tina ride-or-die fans out. Who bought the black and white one? That’s not a bad idea to support Leisha and Kate. They compliment each other so well. Vile. I think it's a testament to both ladies that more than a decade after the series began, it still has the ability to draw new viewers into their storyline. People have been giving hints and you guys have decided to ignore it, so don't be surprised when you get some posters pushing back. After losing the mayoral race and finding out her ex-wife, Tina (Laurel Holloman), was. Ash Silver should be ashamed of herself to get to the point to piss JB. We’re desperate to get more contents while Marja is desperate to get someone who’s interested with her work Everybody is desperate. and i gotta say these days Laurel might be giving Jennifer a run for her money in the guns department lol must be all that repetitive motion from painting. You can keep the GiBette scene cause that shit really don’t compare. And I can't remember if these were posted on the JB board back in 2019. It’s official Fam, I’m in the house. View more on Instagram. 68425 posts Page 448 of 2281. Share. Laurel is. Jennifer wasn’t a source of support, you’re right, they didn’t see each other, they grew apart after the show was over. Hypothetically speaking ofc. Ripley are you lilya? We love JB but come on it has to be Beals with Holloman . Bette's comment about Tina's acceptance reminded me of how Tina was so caring with Jenny, offering to help her through a confusing time. ”. Jennifer Beals and Laurel Holloman; JenLuh - Page 558 - The L Chat (tapatalk. Ilene edited it out. He would be 110 today. The tension was building from season 4! At the end of season 4, we had Tina tell Bette that she would take her being a difficult partner over the “safe boring man” she’s been seeing any day. They booed when Hendrix appeared. This screams Wife Energy like nobody’s business. It’s an exercise in futility, not to mention silly. Rules: discussion that's directly related to JB as a person and her work is on topic. The jealousy (Beals), the cryptic messages, unscripted emotions and awkward behavior. Chaiken, says a Wolf insider, “didn’t understand about the Law & Order formula. 4:59 PM - Oct 15. Jump. She wasn’t smart when she decided to make spin off with Alice instead of TiBette. “You see everybody look over. Jennifer looked more organic with Sepi and Ari sorry but this is the truth. Let's give the highest ratings to the TIBETTE episode, as it is a unique event, one of the moments we've been waiting for years. I used it in my 20’s because I was trying to be honest. Well JB is a swimmer and doesn’t smoke, no wonder she can kiss for a long time without needing much air. Hypothetically speaking ofc. Gigi is very sensual, cause that’s her ‘trademark’. thinking, dreaming. In the OG when IC was obsessed with Jodi and Jobette, Showtime told her to reunite Tibette because they were losing viewers. 2:04 AM - Sep 08. Len Barliss (Gleeson) and a growing estrangement from their daughter (Thurman). 9:09 PM - Apr 27. Somehow he got talked into adopting their second child. And it strikes me as just as much of a provocation that ST has been calling the series TLW and not GQ lately. MESSAGES. Ash Silver should be ashamed of herself to get to the point to piss JB off due to her money grabbing, Ash Silver is vile. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes. Jennifer Beals - Page 170 - The L ChatJB and LuH are two of the best ship captains ever, they both love Tibette. Nov 17, 2021 #18918. how can i be faithful to you. View the profiles of people named Charles Holloman. Often said, but just how ‘in sync’ they are with their body language, movements, facial responses, tone - a familiarity that shines through on-screen. It’s past the deadline, but please accept my order. The L Word was a phenomenon when it aired, even people who never saw it knew of it. Bette and Tina saved my life – An open thank you letter to Jennifer Beals and Laurel Holloman. He would be 110 today. Beals and Holloman have such palpable onscreen chemistry (it registers visually and has crossed over the language barrier) that their relationship has become timeless (discovered and becomes relevant to new generations across the world). I think people simple game out of the gate ready to bid. Meaning, she put Tibette on hold first. Laurel declares her love for her husband Henry and took him to. It’s an hour away from Austin. The show sounds interesting and really hope it takes off but a bonus would be for Laurel to have some part on the show. GQ is at best a footnote, and that’s just within Showtime ranks. Jennifer looked more organic with Sepi and Ari sorry but this is the truth. We (women and lesbians) are doing the best we could under the circumstances. And the whole story arc would have changed. Yet some actors realize it and don’t care about it and it doesn’t stop them from being playful with co stars on public, it’s a part of the job. Does Leisha looks like she’s got on some sort 70s hippy outfit in this picture. Jen dropped a tweet that she knew would get everyone talking. It may be the end for The L Word Generation Q, but with talk of an L Word New York spin-off, perhaps Bette and Tina's happy-ever-after is just the start of something new. Dec 26, 2022. So Laurel has got on really flared trousers in this picture, although you can’t see them properly in this picture but you can in the Facebook ones if someone can link them up. Look at the arm - it's not JB, look at the hair - it's not LuH's color. From the other forum from someone who claims they watched screeners [+] Spoiler Half way through the season Angie ends up pregnant. the story that hairstylist did just before said « goes in the desert once » and Marja posted a pic from Kate who looked like she was in the desert/ mountains…. It's her work and it's something that's close to her heart. View all 20 comments. Meanwhile, JB is busy with nature and Laurel is busy with her dogs. Too bad she didn't support the return of many originals with the same zeal, including her good friend Rachel Shelley. They only stopped after they saw that the majority of the fandom started to criticize them. Less than 2 weeks before JB’s 11th birthday. DISCUSSIONS. "We don't spend time together offset really, like occasionally we'll have dinner like maybe once a year or something but we don't. L-Chat is one of the few sites made for Lesbians (it’s in the name!) where we can be free to express ourselves and talk about our interests without being judged. Oh yeah, duh should have mentioned that (smh). Or does anyone know another website? I agree, but. As we all know, KM and LeH recap TLW on Pants. That reunion happened 2 years after the show, most of them were not that close anymore some moved on to do their things so I don't get why some of y'all expect them to be how they were when the show was on. I’m just not sure it’d be right to use that label again. For GQ, I think Jennifer’s performance when Tina told her she was getting married after the special meal was amazing. - After they've exchanged rings, when Alice is pronouncing them as married in her comedic way, Bette and Tina never take their eyes off each other. She has insisted she is straight so, if she had strong feelings for LH, I believe she. 3:21 AM - Feb 23. #p24087106 Both those things are true, they’re not mutually exclusive. The rest of the line was for JB’s single photo OP. 3:04 PM - Jun 12 #46336. . I haven't listened to them yet. The L Chat > Welcome Back > General Discussions > Jennifer Beals. And there's an interview which confirms that LuH rejected IC when she first asked her to come back on GQ, JB had to persuade her. Isn’t Leisha also a painter?Beals and Holloman and deeply appreciates all they have both contributed to the LGBT community, both in their own ways. It is a Jennifer Beals Laurel Holloman fan site. It seemed to go overboard recently though and it sucks. Holloman and Beals played that couple. The L Chat > Welcome Back > General Discussions > Jennifer Beals and Laurel Holloman; JenLuh. It's her work and it's something that's close to her heart. Bette said she wanted to carry the child. Hear your L Word favourites Jennifer Beals (Bette Porter) and Laurel Holloman (Tina Kennard) sharing all the joy with Rachel Shelley (Helena Peabody) - talking. Oh, wait, and the girl Shane's seeing goes to Vegas. it doesn't take away her feelings, it's just means that Tina is a sexual person (laughing). Jump to page:The cool thing is the group selfie was not in the "official" agenda and at the end of JB'panel she told us to come back at 4pm for the group selfie, which actually there's other panel that will be in that room. 7:54 AM - Apr 07. lmao honestly my instincts are never wrong. I think she was scheduled to go home two days before this event. Share. Share. The painting she is talking about is also widely thought to be supposedly the post coital scene of Honey, Honey where JB mouths unscripted "I love you". X2 the beals thread like many others have always had trolls come through. Share with: Link: Copy link. Showtime signed a new deal with Marja instead when after season 1 it was crystal clear Marja is talentless and wasn’t good for that job. 2882. The one you choose to use is one of them. Hear your L Word favourites Jennifer Beals (Bette Porter) and Laurel Holloman (Tina Kennard) sharing all the joy with Rachel Shelley (Helena Peabody) -. The showrunner & her writers were not truly committed to writing good TV show honoring these characters but the sole purpose of Marjass was to show the OG down. Same with LuH and others. i've checked the complaints thread for months, the rare shipping complaints from mps trolls are there for many threads, taylor, kswift, beals, and more but gimme a break.